Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day
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Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day
FernyFerny 1223544822|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I think it would be great to make shields at crafts day (amongst aother things). I for one am now the proud owner of two shield bosses (one for shield, one for buckler). In know WW has several shield patterns cut or semi cut, and at least one boss (and I believe 4). This needs organising well in advance. I'll post a checklist of things Jon P recommends, in terms of materials, tools and location. Date is set as crafts day.

Shelagh posted this link to DAS:
http://www.kongensborge.dk/index_uk.php?pageid=seneste_nyt_uk

I think it's great, and it's spurred me to ask some questions. I now know that at least one shield existed in 10C Denmark (it's like the mathematician and the sheep). I know it was made of fir wood, had a diameter of 32", and was painted. I'd like to know more about the paint and design, any weapon marks in it, how the hand attached to it, and more about the boss, but maybe more of that will emerge over time.

So this is a much better piece of evidence than thorsbergs, which are wrong era and possibly wrong location.

But it's still only one piece of evidence. I was wondering if the historical scholars amongst us could furnish ferny with more finds of shields (to keep me happy about the physical dimensions etc) and other sources which depict them as being in use, and to what extent, and info on their bosses and paint designs.

Our wiki on shields currently has this info:
http://wychwood.wikidot.com/kit-shield
It links to two very good sites, one on construction, the other on finds. Can we better the second, or do we not really want or need to as his is top-notch? (It really is a very good looking and reading article).

Our wiki on helmets, done by Bunni, is IMO one of the top resources for this type of question which I have found (on the internet):
http://wychwood.wikidot.com/kit-helmets

I'd be happy to write up the outcomes of this thread onto the wiki if we can round up some good info.

Cheers very much,

Ferny

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wychwoodwychwood 1223551493|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

As far as I know, the use of fir-wood in the recent Danish find is fairly unusual - lime (linden) wood was generally the preferrred material. (In fact, in Old English texts, the word 'linde' is often used to mean 'shield' with no other qualifier).

I think it would be brilliant if you could turn this thread into a shield page! Cheers Ferny.

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bunnibunni 1223590714|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I was going to say that Gokstad (start of 10th C, ship burial, whole bunch of shields attached to the ship) was the best set of finds I knew of. But they were the main subject of the link from the wiki article, so I was beaten to it.

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bunnibunni 1223590943|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Also, of course, burials are good sources in pre-Christian areas.

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axebreakeraxebreaker 1223915075|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

This is probably going to be a useless Vicky Pollard/Jethro style story, but here goes: my mate Luke was saying a few weeks ago about a find somewhere in continental Europe of a shipload of Vikings with bucklers (but I don't even know nothing about it so shut up). If we could find more info on this (where/when/how reliable), it would be quite good to include it.


þas ofereode, þisses swa mæg

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Veronica FordVeronica Ford 1224062696|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

TOO… MANY… THINGS… TO… ORGANISE *breaks down and cries*

Ok, well not quite. But really I don't have the time to think about this this term. I can't even find a venue for craft day at the moment.

Yes, so Veronica = stressed

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PhilippppPhilipppp 1224078724|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

We first need a venue for regular kit-making. Craft days are of secondary importance. The Green Baby would be ideal if it weren't so far away. My house has a living room which can cope with about 10-12 if they don't mind being friendly. But it's also far out, though not as far. We'll find something (he says, encouragingly).

Furthermore: (and I post this here in order not to spam the list which is full of freshers)
KM tonight at Oriel, 7.30 at the lodge. BRING KIT!!! THE IDEA IS TO SHOW THE FRESHERS WHAT WE MAKE AND HOW WE MAKE IT, I DOUBT THAT MUCH KIT WILL ACTUALLY BE MADE THERE!!!

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wychwoodwychwood 1224083939|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Just a random thought - apparently, the cafe in the Jam Factory are happy for people to do crafty things there while they partake of things from the kitchen/bar (so my knitting-mad friends say). Could that be a solution for one week? Might be worth asking them…

http://www.thejamfactoryoxford.com

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