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				<title>Kaftan: Re: Kaftan</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>bunni</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>10915</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Some notes on making a symetrical Birka-style kaftan, inspired by questions Joss asked:</p> <p>The Birka style of kaftan is basically just a tunic with a cut all the way up the front, plus an optional back split.<br /> The back is one piece, like a normal tunic. I guess you could make it in two pieces if you really fancied, but there's no evidence so why would you?<br /> You could make it without side gores (much like you could make a Norman style front &amp; rear split tunic without side gores) but personal experience says they're not as nice to wear, don't move as well, are too tight.<br /> Shoulders, arms and underarms are just like standard tunics.<br /> In conclusion, use the standard tunic pattern.</p> <p>The standing collar is based entirely on one surviving find (pictured <a href="http://www.miklagard.nvg.org.au/costume/rus/trader/kaftan_text.htm">here</a>). That one is 51&#160;cm long. Which is a good 20 inch diameter neck hole. It's hard to tell, but it doesn't seem to have been made to overlap like a modern shirt and doesn't seem to have had any sort of clasp? Most people reconstruct it to be standing and not overlapping, but possibly butting. Like a Chinese shirt, basically- look up Mandarin collars or Nehru collars.</p> <p>Buttons. Kaftans are buttoned from the neck to the waist, no lower.<br /> You could just attach the buttons to one edge of the kaftan, and the loops to the other? But that wouldn't show them off as well, so most people instead go for frogging. Frogging is, again, like you see on Chinese shirts. But keep the fancy big swirls to a minimum, you just want straight horizontal lines.<br /> Basically get two bits of cord the same length. Thread a button onto the middle of one. Then double them over, and sew the two cords onto the surface of your Kaftan. One has the button attached, the other has a loop at the end you use as the buttonhole. Success!<br /> If you don't have authenti-buttons, <a href="http://perfectpatterns.tripod.com/frogs.html">here</a> are instructions on making pretty knots to use as buttons on the second half of this page (ignore the big swirl loops on the first half!)</p> 
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				<title>Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day: Re: Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Just a random thought - apparently, the cafe in the Jam Factory are happy for people to do crafty things there while they partake of things from the kitchen/bar (so my knitting-mad friends say). Could that be a solution for one week? Might be worth asking them&#8230;</p> <p><a href="http://www.thejamfactoryoxford.com">http://www.thejamfactoryoxford.com</a></p> 
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				<title>Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day: Re: Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Philipppp</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>14306</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>We first need a venue for regular kit-making. Craft days are of secondary importance. The Green Baby would be ideal if it weren't so far away. My house has a living room which can cope with about 10-12 if they don't mind being friendly. But it's also far out, though not as far. We'll find something (he says, encouragingly).</p> <p>Furthermore: (and I post this here in order not to spam the list which is full of freshers)<br /> KM tonight at Oriel, 7.30 at the lodge. BRING KIT!!! THE IDEA IS TO SHOW THE FRESHERS WHAT WE MAKE AND HOW WE MAKE IT, I DOUBT THAT MUCH KIT WILL ACTUALLY BE MADE THERE!!!</p> 
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				<title>Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day: Re: Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>TOO&#8230; MANY&#8230; THINGS&#8230; TO&#8230; ORGANISE *breaks down and cries*</p> <p>Ok, well not quite. But really I don't have the time to think about this this term. I can't even find a venue for craft day at the moment.</p> <p>Yes, so Veronica = stressed</p> 
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				<title>Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day: Re: Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>This is probably going to be a useless Vicky Pollard/Jethro style story, but here goes: my mate Luke was saying a few weeks ago about a find somewhere in continental Europe of a shipload of Vikings with bucklers (but I don't even know nothing about it so shut up). If we could find more info on this (where/when/how reliable), it would be quite good to include it.</p> 
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				<title>Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day: Re: Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Also, of course, burials are good sources in pre-Christian areas.</p> 
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				<title>Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day: Re: Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I was going to say that Gokstad (start of 10th C, ship burial, whole bunch of shields attached to the ship) was the best set of finds I knew of. But they were the main subject of the link from the wiki article, so I was beaten to it.</p> 
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				<title>Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day: Re: Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>As far as I know, the use of fir-wood in the recent Danish find is fairly unusual - lime (linden) wood was generally the preferrred material. (In fact, in Old English texts, the word 'linde' is often used to mean 'shield' with no other qualifier).</p> <p>I think it would be brilliant if you could turn this thread into a shield page! Cheers Ferny.</p> 
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				<title>Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day: Shields, authenticity, provenance, and crafts day</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I think it would be great to make shields at crafts day (amongst aother things). I for one am now the proud owner of two shield bosses (one for shield, one for buckler). In know WW has several shield patterns cut or semi cut, and at least one boss (and I believe 4). This needs organising well in advance. I'll post a checklist of things Jon P recommends, in terms of materials, tools and location. Date is set as crafts day.</p> <p>Shelagh posted this link to DAS:<br /> <a href="http://www.kongensborge.dk/index_uk.php?pageid=seneste_nyt_uk">http://www.kongensborge.dk/index_uk.php?pageid=seneste_nyt_uk</a></p> <p>I think it's great, and it's spurred me to ask some questions. I now know that at least one shield existed in 10C Denmark (it's like the mathematician and the sheep). I know it was made of fir wood, had a diameter of 32&quot;, and was painted. I'd like to know more about the paint and design, any weapon marks in it, how the hand attached to it, and more about the boss, but maybe more of that will emerge over time.</p> <p>So this is a much better piece of evidence than thorsbergs, which are wrong era and possibly wrong location.</p> <p>But it's still only one piece of evidence. I was wondering if the historical scholars amongst us could furnish ferny with more finds of shields (to keep me happy about the physical dimensions etc) and other sources which depict them as being in use, and to what extent, and info on their bosses and paint designs.</p> <p>Our wiki on shields currently has this info:<br /> <a href="http://wychwood.wikidot.com/kit-shield">http://wychwood.wikidot.com/kit-shield</a><br /> It links to two very good sites, one on construction, the other on finds. Can we better the second, or do we not really want or need to as his is top-notch? (It really is a very good looking and reading article).</p> <p>Our wiki on helmets, done by Bunni, is IMO one of the top resources for this type of question which I have found (on the internet):<br /> <a href="http://wychwood.wikidot.com/kit-helmets">http://wychwood.wikidot.com/kit-helmets</a></p> <p>I'd be happy to write up the outcomes of this thread onto the wiki if we can round up some good info.</p> <p>Cheers very much,</p> <p>Ferny</p> 
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				<title>Chainmail Bikinis: Re: Chainmail Bikinis</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Brilliant! I'll have a think about designs and get back to you. Cheers :)</p> 
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				<title>Chainmail Bikinis: Re: Chainmail Bikinis</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I could maille them easily, that would be fine. Jewellery is difficult but usually very quick. I think I can go right down to 3-4mm without too much difficulty, I'd have to see with them and my pliers in hand.</p> 
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				<title>Chainmail Bikinis: Re: Chainmail Bikinis</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>my waiting list is long - a hauberk and a vest, and I have ajob eating ym time at the moment&#8230;</p> <p>tired dom is tired&#8230;</p> 
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				<title>Chainmail Bikinis: Re: Chainmail Bikinis</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>If I gave you some small silver rings and paid you for your time would you be able to maille those? I think my mother would love some maille-style jewellery for Christmas. How small can you go before it gets too fiddly?</p> 
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				<title>Chainmail Bikinis: Chainmail Bikinis</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I'm not sure if this would be considered advertising spam, but I hope not since it's something that interests Wychwood directly.</p> <p>Basically I figure that I'm going to have a lot of spare time this year, and I've been asked by a number of people if I'm willing to make some maille for them. So far, I'm making maille bikinis for V, Abbey, and Helen from RPGSoc, and Joss has asked for a byrnie. If anyone else would like maille items, I'm quite willing to do Wychwood a special rate (basically materials and a little for my time, nothing near to commercial rates) so just ask if you're interested. Remember since I know you guys and I will be around lots, customisation and tailoring is really easy; and of course it means that should you have trouble with anything I'll be right at hand to help or fix any problems.</p> <p>I also believe Dom may be taking commissions too, so I would suggest that you check with him as well since his waiting list may be shorter.</p> 
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				<title>Rus Pants: Re: Rus Pants</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>It depends on the weight of the linen. Mine are really really fine cotton, so I could fit more in. The key problem I ran up against was pulling the drawstring tight enough around my ankles- if I'd had more fabric or heavier fabric, it wouldn't have fitted.</p> <p>Also, don't forget that fabric generally comes on a roll that's at least twice as wide (if not three times as wide) as you need.</p> 
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				<title>Rus Pants: Re: Rus Pants</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I'm definately going for linen ones. I will also wear them with leg bindings. Bunni, how much fabric have you used for yours? I need a vague idea of what's right. I don't want to go for the full 100 cubits round each leg. That's partly because I don't want to pay for 90m of fabric.</p> 
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				<title>Rus Pants: Re: Rus Pants</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Yeah, I'd agree with Bunni. With the amount of material you're going to have around the crotch area, I don't think stress on seams will be a major problem with Rus trousers, but woollen ones might create unsightly bunching around the waist if they don't have some kind of gusset. (The gusset will allow you to make a better-fitting waist).</p> 
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				<title>Rus Pants: Re: Rus Pants</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>In fact, thinking about it, pyjama style would probably work best for thin linen/cotton ones and Thorsberg style would probably work best for wool ones? As wool ones will be heavier, less flexible, more stress on seams etc&#8230;</p> 
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				<title>Rus Pants: Re: Rus Pants</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Personally, I just made them as standard two-legs-no-frills pyjama trousers, with heavy-duty drawstrings at the top and bottom.</p> <p>I guess if you were feeling really fancy, you could make them as Thorsberg-a-likes (with crotch and arse pieces). That's what both <a href="http://www.example.com">http://histvarld.historiska.se/histvarld/draekter/vherreman/pasbyxor.html</a> and [<a href="http://users.bigpond.net.au/quarfwa/miklagard/Costume/Rus/Trader/Rus_main.htm">http://users.bigpond.net.au/quarfwa/miklagard/Costume/Rus/Trader/Rus_main.htm</a>] did.</p> 
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				<title>Rus Pants: Rus Pants</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>but lack a pattern. The Peter Beatson site doesn't show the picture which is meant to be there with the pattern. Does anyone have any useful sources for reconstructing a pair? Or can give a description on how to make them? I need larger pants!!</p> 
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